Sympathy for the Devil LEAD SOUND??

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Postby Karl Teten on Mon Jan 09, 2006 2:46 am

You could be right about Paul on the lead MKII.

Lot's of controversey about who played what on that album.

Abbey Road studio logs read two guitars , bass and drums. If Paul played lead, who then played bass?

Could have been Paul doing an overdub later but then they were still recording 4 track with the need for space with Martins orchestra scores.

Harrison's lead in the song All You Need Is Love sounds very similar to the lead in Sgt. Peppers.......

Whatever the case, Keiths tone on SFTD wasn't the Selmer Thunderbird 50 amp we see McCartney using in Pepper session photos. That Selmer amp didn't have distortion or a master volume.

I do have Pepper session photos of Lennon and Harrison using the Vox UL730 amp.

IMO, Keiths tone was a SS preamp section of a JMI era Vox amp.
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Postby MKII on Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:50 am

Karl Teten wrote:You could be right about Paul on the lead MKII.

Lot's of controversey about who played what on that album.

Abbey Road studio logs read two guitars , bass and drums. If Paul played lead, who then played bass?

Could have been Paul doing an overdub later but then they were still recording 4 track with the need for space with Martins orchestra scores.

Harrison's lead in the song All You Need Is Love sounds very similar to the lead in Sgt. Peppers.......

Whatever the case, Keiths tone on SFTD wasn't the Selmer Thunderbird 50 amp we see McCartney using in Pepper session photos. That Selmer amp didn't have distortion or a master volume.

I do have Pepper session photos of Lennon and Harrison using the Vox UL730 amp.

IMO, Keiths tone was a SS preamp section of a JMI era Vox amp.


George Martin's book on pepper says that paul overdubbed over George's solo after he had spent 7 hours recording one!!! eek.

There's no doubting that the beatles and the stones used ul's during 66/67, but by 68 they had both switched to the defiant/supreme range of amps.
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Postby Cussion on Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:59 am

Guess it was the Vox Supreme with built-in distortion and the MRB on.
The tone sounds too "unfocused" to be a tube amp.

But thats just my ears' view of it.
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Postby Karl Teten on Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:50 am

7 hours recording one guitar solo! EEK! :shock:

Must have been some good acid. :lol:

The Beatles recorded their first album in one 12 hour session.
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Postby MKII on Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:42 pm

Karl Teten wrote:7 hours recording one guitar solo! EEK! :shock:

Must have been some good acid. :lol:

The Beatles recorded their first album in one 12 hour session.


He may have meant for the whole song, but even then!?!?!
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Postby MKII on Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:54 pm

short clip of bill and keith playing through solid state vox's

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTStum83 ... g%20stones

then he goes into a vox ac30:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgHBbhq8 ... g%20stones

and from 1967: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q230-SCV ... g%20stones
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Postby The Golden Boy on Thu Jun 01, 2006 9:29 pm

drewl wrote:Boy! this is an old thread!

Yeah, it sure is... :lol:

Whatever the case, Keiths tone on SFTD wasn't the Selmer Thunderbird 50 amp we see McCartney using in Pepper session photos. That Selmer amp didn't have distortion or a master volume.

Wasn't that and the Esquire what was used on Good Morning Good Morning?

My guess is that it's some form of Telecaster- It's got that Tele bite to it.
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Postby drewl on Fri Jun 02, 2006 5:30 pm

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Postby MKII on Sat Jun 03, 2006 1:37 pm

Hoi, this is meant to be about Sympathy for the Devil! :lol:
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Postby parkhead on Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:24 pm

Gentlemen don't forget the Rangemaster ....

IMHO the sympathy lead break sounds like a "treble booster" would be the key ingredient in that stew ....

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Postby MKII on Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:41 pm

parkhead wrote:Gentlemen don't forget the Rangemaster ....

IMHO the sympathy lead break sounds like a "treble booster" would be the key ingredient in that stew ....

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The Vox amps have treble boosts. ;)
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Postby srandallf on Mon Jun 19, 2006 8:38 pm

i think im 2 years late to this thread.
anyway, i used to nail that tone pretty close with a les paul with the bridge pickup on, fender twin II head with the gain way up and a cray baby wah pedal somewhere at the the half way point. i think the wah pedal is the secret
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Postby mickey69 on Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:46 pm

All i know is, my Supreme gets very close to that tone.
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Postby pckpat on Mon Jun 19, 2006 11:49 pm

if i might belabour a point of minuteae-the conventional wisdom( thank you jk galbraith) has always been -mid-late 60's gibson dove or hummingbird into the '68 equivalent of a boom-box.1/4" cassette tape saturation with the built in limiter thru a cheesy japanese mic may be the secret sauce :D fwiw, the '67 clips of the ss/hybrid vox + les paul black beauty are not spot-on with sympathy. by that time keef and mick had renounced the beatles-copy psychedelia in favour of their true-blues roots.(imho) :lol:
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Postby mickey69 on Tue Jun 20, 2006 1:35 pm

pckpat wrote:if i might belabour a point of minuteae-the conventional wisdom( thank you jk galbraith) has always been -mid-late 60's gibson dove or hummingbird into the '68 equivalent of a boom-box.1/4" cassette tape saturation with the built in limiter thru a cheesy japanese mic may be the secret sauce


that's recipe is for jumpin' jack flash and street fighting man.
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