...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

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...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

Postby Robfak on Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:26 pm

:shock: The seller naively says : 'I 've had this amp for ten years now and I purchased it directly from Musicground in London UK courtesy of Justin Harrison'.......
Any expert opinion on this amp with such a pedigree?

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Re: ...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

Postby Ned B on Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:01 pm

The PT for starters.
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Re: ...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

Postby Robfak on Mon Oct 14, 2013 10:14 pm

I think this seller has never googled 'music ground harrison Pierpaolo Adda'.....
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Re: ...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

Postby Strat59 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 5:56 am

I suppose there must be some minute corner of the Globe that hasn't heard about Music Ground / The Harrisons , but didn't think it was Italy !

Aren't those - Ohm & Mains Selectors Brown ! Shouldn't they be Black for '66 ? Can't see any brown glue on the rear white panel. Mustards look not
right as far as the way they are soldered. Usually the Date Codes are showing. 2 Rear Input sockets - Grey ? Who laced those wires from the mains trannie with ? Rubber bands ? Pilot light not right for '66, Production label strange........ Me thinks it's not what the seller thinks it is ! Coming from MG that's no big surprise.
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Re: ...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

Postby LD50 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:34 am

From where I am looking it all appears to be of Marshall origins (except the few new caps and resistors of course!).

The circuit board reminds me of a late 67 /early 68 100watter, the PT is the type you see in a '67on 50watter, chassis may or not be correct? The jacks probably came from a Marshall as did the slightly later selectors, the pots are a mixture which is unusual for this era, OT does appear to be original and it has a pair of GEC KT66s so may sound fine (the -118 puts out a little less voltage than the -55 or earlier PTs). Cab is very clean and tidy. A good look at the insides might tell you if a clone or simple recover.

So far from an immaculate original collectors piece but probably better than a poorly equipped and built clone.

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Re: ...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

Postby Strat59 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:05 pm

Anyone know what the Harrisons are up to these days ?
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Re: ...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

Postby superstar on Tue Oct 15, 2013 12:45 pm

Strat59 wrote:Anyone know what the Harrisons are up to these days ?


still listing parts and stuff regularly on ebay UK using various different ID's.

havent seen any fake cabs or amps in a while, but probably just a matter of time.

the stuff listed as "THIS IS GENUINE AND NOT A REPRODUCTION" is just one of their well known id's. "kimkay" something or other.
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Re: ...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

Postby pdf64 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:08 pm

They own the brand names of Hiwatt and JMI and a manufacturing new amps, as well as owning the main instrument shops in Denmark St, London; Hanks Acoustics, Rockers and Music Ground, see http://www.musicground.com/history.aspx -

From http://hiwatt.org/
Currently the HIWATT name is used by two separate factions:
Hiwatt Amplification U.K. - A subsidiary of the MusicGround group based in Doncaster, England. They own the rights to the name in England and Europe.
Fernandes Guitars USA, a division of Kabushiki Kaisha Fernandes based in Tokyo, Japan owned the rights rights to the name in North America, Japan and Asia for the early part of the 21st century, but HIWATT UK reaquired the rights to the HIWATT name in North America in 2013.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennings_M ... nstruments
In 1997, Richard and Justin Harrison, then owners of Hiwatt amplification UK and Music Ground Ltd, purchased the "JMI" trademark. At the time the Vox brand was owned by Korg, and unlike the Korg Vox amplifiers being manufactured then, the Harrisons wanted to make exact reproductions of the original Jennings-Denney designs

From http://www.jmiamplification.com/terms-conditions
Hylight Electronics Ltd t/a JMI Amplification
Unit 1a Holmeroyd Road
Bentley Moor Lane
Adwick-le-street
Doncaster
DN6 7BH
Tel: +44 (0) 1302 330429
Email: sales@jmiamplification.com

The Hiwatt site http://www.hiwatt.co.uk/ is ©2013 Hylight Electronics

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Re: ...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

Postby Strat59 on Tue Oct 15, 2013 7:50 pm

With all that legit stuff inc the effects (Tonebenders etc) they really wouldn't need to fake up vintage amps these days you would think.

It's amazing the shops have survived particularly MG with the past bad publicity.
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Re: ...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

Postby superstar on Wed Oct 16, 2013 3:34 pm

the shop isnt there, but they are still trading online as good ol musicground leeds

i got one of their marketing emails just yesterday. jimmy page's 1961 strat (yeah sure it is :roll:), yours for £60,000, amongst other vintage guitars. no amps featured though.
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Re: ...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

Postby API on Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:12 pm

They are still dealing worldwide but from what i know they are not in the amp faking business anymore.
I got an email recently with some very cool Marshall stuff, some i know are from a Swedish collector, but there were also a few questionable amps but i think those are stuff that they are just reselling.
They have a very bad rep and its well deserved but they do sell original stuff as well, i have sold many cool pieces to them over the years and iknow many others as well so not everything they sell is bad.
Strange thing is that they have a massive customerbase, still.
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Re: ...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

Postby davestp1 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:25 am

I get their advertising emails all the time, I simply delete them now. I have never bought anything from the before and have no intention to, shipping from the UK to Canada would be pretty expensive. What have they done that makes them sleazy?
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Re: ...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

Postby API on Wed Oct 23, 2013 11:46 am

What has made them most infamous is there faking of amp, especially Marshalls.
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Re: ...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

Postby pdf64 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:08 pm

Handling stolen goods, profiting from the proceeds of crime http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -plot.html
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Re: ...from Musicground, courtesy of J. Harrison (66 JTM 45)

Postby davestp1 on Wed Oct 23, 2013 2:40 pm

Wow. Having just read the attached newspaper clipping, these guys are crooks. They got off with the proverbial "slap on the wrist" though. It is surprising anyone deals with them anymore, other than people who don't know who they are .......
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