Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

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Re: Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

Postby TubeGetter on Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:26 pm

I think I've seen the Tesla's with both types of glass with and internal like this (this is the round top):

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Re: Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

Postby HighOrder on Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:17 pm

Originally posted by Tube Tramp:
i honestly thing these tubes you got were mullards with the brimar brand on em.i am not sure they ever made an el34 .and i would rate there pres right up there with the best.mazda is included in fact the silver plate mazda pres are my first choice giving quick breakup .which is handy .tt
Oh yea ... Mazdas are choice. I've never been able to find any that weren't rode pretty hard already though - kinda noisy/crackly like Tung-Sols. Bugle dude used to have quads of those silver plate jobs quite often, but I got a little gun shy on buying from him. Seems a nice fellow, but all his tubes, no matter what the brand, look like they just rolled off the assembly line. Just seems too good to be true, but who knows.

I'm interested in some of those tubes when you get to sellin' TubeGetter. :D
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Re: Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

Postby ¤klÿn¡§§¤ on Sat Oct 23, 2004 10:18 pm

Here is the set i sold Nickcha. These are older production (flatter top) and sounded great to my ears.. got these straight from the horses mouth: (Czech Republic)

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Re: Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

Postby Green on Sun Oct 24, 2004 12:13 pm

Originally posted by JR:
Tramps is correct. Brimar did not manufacture tubes. They sourced them. I have Brimar EL34 that are Mullards and I have Brimars that are Siemens. Therefore, Brimar EL34's are very high quality tubes with a high mojo factor.
That doesn't make sense. BRIMAR stands for BRItish Made American Range. Hence they made a 12AX7 rather than an ECC83, despite them being exactly the same tube.

Why would they include the "Made" section in the name if they weren't actually making tubes?

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Re: Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

Postby Tube Tramp on Sun Oct 24, 2004 1:54 pm

they sourced them just like ars did.the reason the brimar labled ones you had didnt look like the mullards is because they were seimens or tesla vac.brimar did not make tubes from all i have gathered.they certainly relabled and sold them.years ago,which is a good thing chances are if you have anything that sez brimar on it,its a good piece of glass.the brimars i have are mullards either that or they do the best copy of an xf2 el34 ive ever seen.tt
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Re: Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

Postby JeffWest on Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:16 pm

Like every other brand, it seems, "Brimar" labelled tubes from the '60s could be made by someone els, but it's by no means the case that Brimar was only a distributor that relabelled other tubes. The "Brimar" name goes back to the '30s, an outgrowth of STC in Britain that in turn was connected to International Western Electric, so Brimar did have ties to U.S. tube manufacturing and actually popularized American-devised tube types in Europe (remember all those English Brimar 6V6s, etc.?). Even in the '40s there were both "Made in USA" and "Made in UK" Brimars. "Brimar" later became part of Thorn-AEI (like at the end of the '50s?). But before and after this Brimar definitely made millions of valves themselves in Britain. I think they had multiple factories, but the most famous one for us I think was in Rochester, which is southeast of London, about halfway on the route to Canterbury. The Rochester factory designation code was "AD", like you find on those Brimar CV4004s that I bet some of y'all use.

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Re: Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

Postby TubeGetter on Sun Oct 24, 2004 3:32 pm

I did some looking lst night and I have Brimar labeled Siemens and Mullard EL34's. But I don't have any Brimar made yet until they get here. Now I'm really curious to see what these tubes look like in detail. I suspsect if you have a tube that looks just like an xf2 Mullard but with no Mullard date code, it could be a Brimar 34. You certainly don't see many Brimar 34's because look at all the people here that don't even think they exist. Regardless, I imagine the Brimar made 34's sound virtually the same as the Mullard.
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Re: Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

Postby Tube Tramp on Sun Oct 24, 2004 4:00 pm

jeff is probably the ultimate authority on this subject.i imagine when tubes were in full use during those periods of time,certainly brimar must have made plenty.ive just never seen one jeff,can you post a pic of what one looks like? tt
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Re: Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

Postby JeffWest on Sun Oct 24, 2004 6:27 pm

Hey Terry- I'm afraid I can guarantee you I'm no ultimate authority on Brimars, and I hope I didn't sound too, uh, pedantic . . .

One day soon I'm getting a digital camera, in the meantime I took the liberty of looking on e-bay and sending you photos of a few different tube types that I'm reasonably sure were actually made by Brimar in England. Just so it's clear, I don't nec know Jack about those sellers, I'm not pushing their stuff, it's just for the convenient photos!

Another good place for tube porno is the Tube World site, if your heart can stand seeing the prices he does have some photos of cool pieces on there, including I think various Brimars like CV4035 that's like a 9-pin miniature with flying leads!

Although I'm saying Brimar made tubes, I'm not saying they necessarily made EL34s themselves, seems like we'll have to find one to believe it.

Does anyone know '60s Brimar codes (saros, you out there)? Seems to me I have seen an explanation in print but I'm not sure where. I'm looking at good example of what I believe to be Brimar-made British 12AX7 that still has the fragile screenings intact. Could perhaps be taken for a '60s Philips British or Dutch ECC83 at a long glance except no seams on the top. It's got the "squeezed in the middle" Brimar logo, "BVA" oval logo, actually says "Made In England" three different places on the tube! Presumed printed date code next to one of the tiny "Made In England"s is "FA2". Overall vibe definitely suggests '60s unless I miss my guess. The marking style and content are virtually identical to those e-bay Brimar 12AU7 photos, TT.

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Re: Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

Postby TubeGetter on Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:31 pm

Yeah TubeWorld has a lot of good info. on old tubes especially odd ball types. But the prices, yikes. I didn't know that my 1958 NOS Mullard EL34 xf1 (large single getter and no pinhole) is worth around $400!! LOL. But hey, if people pay it I don't blame him at all.
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Re: Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

Postby Tube Tramp on Sun Oct 24, 2004 8:48 pm

400!!!!! quatloos!!!!!!!!! i have one like that mike no hole in the guide pin xf1 different color ink on the logo and o7 above the xf brown base.i have not been able to match this tube up its so strong.even the innards look more robust then xf2s ....funny none of the xf2s i have test no less then as new and this one goes off the meter.they meant business back in the day dint they.....tt
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Re: Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

Postby pckpat on Mon Nov 01, 2004 6:56 am

according to john stokes book-"70 years of radio tubes and valves"(is that redundant or what?)ediswan and mazda hooked up in 1927-soon british thomson-houston(a subsidiary of ge)was gobbled up(along with metro-vickers formerly brit.westinghouse)and assoc.elec.ind.ltd.(AEI)was formed.jump ahead almost 40 years to the early 60's and"as a result of a merger between AEI and Thorn Electrical manufacture of Ediswan-Mazda receiving valves was merged with Brimar,both brands then being produced by a new company known as THorn-aei radio valves and tubes ltd."wow-heady stuff ;) who would have figured all those english valvesters would be intertwined with the big american companies.it appears brimar did manufacture,at least in the early days.
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Re: Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

Postby Craig on Fri Nov 05, 2004 8:43 am

I have a set of NOS Brimar ecc83 in my 100watt Marshall and they sound great. Huge amounts of detail and great distortion character. I have compared the internal structure of the Brimar to a mullard ecc83 and as far as i can tell they look exactly identical.
For what its worth I have seen Brimar 12AX7 and Brimar ECC83.
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Re: Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

Postby ¤klÿn¡§§¤ on Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:14 pm

Originally posted by Craig:
I have a set of NOS Brimar ecc83 in my 100watt Marshall and they sound great. Huge amounts of detail and great distortion character. I have compared the internal structure of the Brimar to a mullard ecc83 and as far as i can tell they look exactly identical.
For what its worth I have seen Brimar 12AX7 and Brimar ECC83.
Your Brimars could very well be relabelled Mullards then. Do you see codes on them?
"ECC83" is just a Euro name for "12ax7"- same thing :)

I had a Brimar box-plate 12ax7 once.. before i became a tube-geek, now i wonder what it actually was... :confused:
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Re: Brimar EL34 vs. Mullard EL34.........Opinions

Postby Britivalvenut on Wed Dec 02, 2015 1:00 pm

I know thats an old post but had to correct some of the comments on it,
Brimar did make their own Tubes my dad worked there! they had 4 Plants and were part of STC standard telephones and cables then were part of the Thorn group
they had Plants in Manchester Kent Warwickshire and in the early days 1920's in London
up until as late as 2012 the Manchester plant was still making electron tubes for military displays, but thats not where it ends , they are now in Warwickshire again and buying up Ex mullard tooling and have a pretty good range of tubes I tried their ECC83 and its a great sounding pre-amp tube, i think they have a website but could not find it when I looked today something like brimaruk
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