Help id these speakers

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Help id these speakers

Postby Stinkfoot on Sat May 09, 2015 12:09 pm

For over 15 years I have had these speakers fitted in a Selmer Thunderbird combo. I now have the original T731s .

I am wondering if anyone can positively identify these speakers. Could they be Goodmans ?
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Re: Help id these speakers

Postby superstar on Mon May 11, 2015 11:35 am

Mid 60's Goodmans alnicos. Pretty rare, but I think they will have whizzer cones, so they will probably sound better if you can perform some surgery on them. Take them out and have a look.

Could they be original?
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Re: Help id these speakers

Postby Kuli on Tue May 12, 2015 10:19 am

These speakers was originally fitted to the Selmer Twin Selectortone 30 amps, which pre-dates the Thunderbird combo's - I would say early 60's Goodmans speakers (originally with whizzer cones, which can be removed, as Brian says, with very nice results for guitar use). Could very well be original to the amp, if it is a very early one..
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Re: Help id these speakers

Postby Stinkfoot on Tue May 12, 2015 12:11 pm

Thanks chaps but when you say "whizzer cones" that can be removed, I am a bit confused. How and why would one remove them ?
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Re: Help id these speakers

Postby Kuli on Tue May 12, 2015 12:19 pm

Stinkfoot wrote:Thanks chaps but when you say "whizzer cones" that can be removed, I am a bit confused. How and why would one remove them ?

Try google them - its and 'extra' little cone on the speaker that gently can be removed/cut away with a knife. It will make the speaker sound nice with distorted guitar sounds, as they are now, they only sound good with clean guitar sounds - that is my experience anyway.
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Re: Help id these speakers

Postby OldSchoolDave on Tue May 12, 2015 12:31 pm

Kuli wrote:... that gently can be removed/cut away with a knife. It will make the speaker sound nice with distorted guitar sounds, as they are now, they only sound good with clean guitar sounds - that is my experience anyway.


I agree, with the minor exception of adding the prefix "in most cases" to the first sentence.

I have come across some speakers in which the voice coil former extends past the throat of the primary cone. In these cases, removal of the whizzer is not as simple. But, usually, yes, a steady hand with an exacto knife can perform a successful whizzer-ectomy.

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Re: Help id these speakers

Postby Stinkfoot on Tue May 12, 2015 12:34 pm

Cheers Kuli old boy I now know what you mean.

The speakers came with the amp and the guy I got it off..like 25 years ago said that these were the original speakers but I have never seen them before and cannot find any discern able identification features.

do you know of anything that I should be looking for or could you give me a link to any.

Much obliged. :jam:
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Re: Help id these speakers

Postby Kuli on Tue May 12, 2015 1:20 pm

I once owned a Selmer Twin Selectortone 30 with these speakers and I'm pretty sure that somewhere on the speaker it says Goodmanns.

http://www.vintagehofner.co.uk/gallery/ ... cat28.html
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Re: Help id these speakers

Postby Stinkfoot on Tue May 12, 2015 2:52 pm

Marvellous ! yes those are the very ones.So it looks like I have some sort of transitional T.Bird 30, pre celestion.

Many thanks .

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Re: Help id these speakers

Postby superstar on Tue May 12, 2015 4:23 pm

Goodmans made many speaker models so you might not even have whizzer cones on them. Take them out and have a look. Furthermore you should be able to hear it in the tone of the amp. If you like the amp as it is then dont change a thing. You have owned it for 25 years afterall. If it sounded crap you would have noticed by now Im sure. :?
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Re: Help id these speakers

Postby superstar on Tue May 12, 2015 4:35 pm

Stinkfoot wrote:Thanks chaps but when you say "whizzer cones" that can be removed, I am a bit confused. How and why would one remove them ?


They are usually thin and fizzly with distortion as Kuli pointed out, they only sound good clean.

To remove them you can usually just tear them away after making the initial cut with your stanley knife. Sounds brutal, but it is the easiest way to do it. Its a much harder material than the usual paper speaker cones are made from. You will find out when/if you try it. It will come away cleanly from the glue it is held on with just by tearing it away with your fingers.

Here is one I used to own, with the Goodmans label on it:

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Re: Help id these speakers

Postby Kuli on Wed May 13, 2015 6:22 am

Stinkfoot wrote:Marvellous ! yes those are the very ones.So it looks like I have some sort of transitional T.Bird 30, pre celestion.

Many thanks .

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Nice looking gear!!
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'68 1959T Super Tremolo
'69 1987 Lead
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Re: Help id these speakers

Postby Stinkfoot on Wed May 13, 2015 9:40 am

Kuli wrote:
Stinkfoot wrote:Marvellous ! yes those are the very ones.So it looks like I have some sort of transitional T.Bird 30, pre celestion.

Many thanks .

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Nice looking gear!!


Cheers Kuli dear. I have gone for a coordinated green theme in the lounge but have gone for a fresher blue and white theme in my study.

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Re: Help id these speakers

Postby Kuli on Wed May 13, 2015 9:50 am

Stinkfoot wrote:Cheers Kuli dear. I have gone for a coordinated green theme in the lounge but have gone for a fresher blue and white theme in my study.

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So cool and nice style!!
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