Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

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Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

Postby zinzin on Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:58 pm

need your expert help: i've got a old silver bulldog speaker to try out from a friend o'mine. he said it's an old silver bulldog from the 60's, the adhesive got lost although. on the speaker it says "made in england" and i am able to tead these codes: T1088 22 EM, X7X 102003 (< the "x" i can't read the letters). can someone please shade some lights on this? pics:
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Re: Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

Postby zinzin on Wed Dec 11, 2013 1:01 pm

i installed the speaker into my ac15c1 and it sounds really good. another pic:
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Re: Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

Postby superstar on Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:46 pm

what more do you need to know?

its a T1088 speaker (vox silver) from May 1967. pulsonic 003 cone.

im not sure exactly when in 1967 they went to the stronger brown voice coil formers, but May probably still has the white former so treat it like a 15 watt speaker. i think the T1088 is 8 ohm.
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Re: Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

Postby zinzin on Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:52 pm

wow, this old? 1967? great. i thought my friend was lying :-) how much are they worth?
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Re: Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

Postby superstar on Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:00 pm

so long as it is in good condition, probably about £250 GBP I would say, maybe more, but I have never been big on vox gear. should sound awesome though.
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Re: Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

Postby zinzin on Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:12 pm

i have just played it some 30 minutes but i can already say that it sounds really good in my ac15. it's in very good shape, except for the missing label. wow, lots of money worth, that means that i'm never giving it back to my friend now! :mrgreen:
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Re: Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

Postby OldSchoolDave on Wed Dec 11, 2013 7:39 pm

zinzin wrote:i have just played it some 30 minutes but i can already say that it sounds really good in my ac15.


It should - that's a perfect combination!

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Re: Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

Postby zinzin on Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:15 pm

hmm... tried my gretsch tennessee with filtertrons with the silver bulldogs in the ac15 and the amp vibrates A LOT with the neck pickup when plying low E-G strings/powerchords.
this is my guitar with the highest output pickups. it vibrates even with bass knob 30%on the vox. with my other guitars its not so bad.
now i tried to push on all parts of the amp to säfind the spot that causes the vibrating noise, but no luck. i than dissembled the whole amp, putting it toghether piece by piece, even insertind adhesive rubber where panels where touching metal. tighted all the screws but still vibrating with bassy notes. with the bridge pickup its fine, no rattling at all.
so, does the silver bulldog speaker have more bass output because with the original celestion g12 speaker it didnt vibrate wirh my gretsch. or could it be that the cone, beeing from1967, has some issues?
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Re: Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

Postby superstar on Sun Dec 15, 2013 5:18 pm

try the speaker outside of the amplifier.

also check for failed glue on the spider support of the speaker. very common problem on old celestions.
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Re: Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

Postby zinzin on Mon Dec 16, 2013 8:03 am

superstar wrote:try the speaker outside of the amplifier.

also check for failed glue on the spider support of the speaker. very common problem on old celestions.


what is "the spider support of the speaker"?
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Re: Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

Postby OldSchoolDave on Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:38 pm

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Re: Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

Postby zinzin on Mon Dec 16, 2013 9:40 pm

thanks, i will check it.
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Re: Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

Postby superstar on Mon Dec 16, 2013 10:11 pm

this is what you are looking for:

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check around the edge very lightly with your finger tip. it should be glued down all the way around. if it isnt, thats what the problem is. corroded glue at the spider is very common on old celestions and is always the first thing I check for.
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Re: Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

Postby zinzin on Tue Dec 17, 2013 10:14 am

^^^ thanks! in case it's not glued perfectly, will any glue do the job or is it delicate?
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Re: Old Silver Bulldog Speaker

Postby superstar on Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:21 pm

contact adhesive applied wet and then clamped. but you can only "just glue it back down" when there is a small area lifting.

what people dont understand is the spider support is there to hold the voice coil in place. the voice coil sits in a gap in the magnet with only a fraction of a mm either side of it. what holds it in the correct spot is the spider support. so when the glue has come off all the way around the spider support you basically have a useless speaker that either needs reconing or serious repair work because the voice coil will need to be re-aligned. not to mention it will probably have lots of debris underneath it that will need cleaning out too (corroded glue, dust, etc).
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