Marshall model 1972 with pics

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Marshall model 1972 with pics

Postby ragrag on Fri Jun 30, 2017 7:10 am

Bumped in to A Marshall model 1972 mid 60s empty cab....

Is listed in Marshall cataloge according to Doyles book as "power output 40 watt and input impedance 15 ohm"

My Q is if it could be Celestion alnico in this origin or 20 watters ceramic

Early 412 cab is listed 75 watt and had either Celestion alnico 15 watt or 20 watt ceramic

Is it possible that early 1972 cabs had 8 ohm alnico but rated 40 watt just as early 412 cab rated 75 watt with four alnico

Maybe I got it all wrong but if somebody knows I would be glad

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Re: Marshall model 1972

Postby BygoneTones on Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:33 am

Depends on how old it is. They came with 2 x G12M speakers to my knowledge, or if its a really early one late 65 or earlier then it would more likely have the 15w alnicos.

Celestion increased the power rating of their speakers by 5 watts in 68. So a pinstripe period cab (66 to 67) with 2 x G12M would be rated at 40 watts (2 x 20w), and a basketweave period cab (68 to 71) with 2 x G12M would be rated at 50 watts (2 x 25). A 65 cab with 2 x alnicos would be rated at 30w (2 x 15w).

Fwiw I have never seen one one of those early style pinstripe 2x12 cabs (doyle page 169) even in photos. They are super rare if they exist at all. What Im saying is make damn sure it's a real one, and not one of Justins, if you intend to buy it. The later style (doyle page 173) I have seen a few examples of.

Selmer made a similar looking 2x12 speaker cabinet to the one on page 169, so also make sure it is not one of those.

I would be interested to see photos if you have got any.
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Re: Marshall model 1972

Postby Dean Jr. on Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:42 pm

IT isn't a gift horse, so you need to examine its teeth.....pull the back panel before getting too interested. as ByGone
hints......buyer beware.
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Re: Marshall model 1972

Postby Ned B on Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:23 pm

Check the dimensions as these are an inch shorter than a combo...I believe 22 inches tall.
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Re: Marshall model 1972 with pics

Postby Banker on Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:20 am

Remove the baffle board and show pics of how the tadpole and cloth is attached.

If it turns out to be real, and you decide to pass on it, I'd happily give you a profit on it should you wish to sell it on to me.
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Re: Marshall model 1972 with pics

Postby chard on Thu Jul 06, 2017 3:25 pm

I've seen one of these before, it had 20w greenbacks although it was painted inside black.
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Re: Marshall model 1972 with pics

Postby ragrag on Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:06 am

I bought this as a reclothed and regrilled but original box item and paid for it as in that condition

The grill is certainly not original pinstripe but the levant I leave for the expert

Nevertheless its a cool thing..... :D

I have put in a pair old old G12-65 so I can drive both my 100 an 50 plexus in vile waiting for the 20 waters same era :mrgreen:
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Re: Marshall model 1972 with pics

Postby BygoneTones on Fri Jul 07, 2017 1:25 pm

Difficult one in my opinion, especially as the speakers are gone, and the seller claims a retolex and regrill. All that's left to judge is the woodwork itself. I'm more inclined to say its a repro than an original. The retolex and regrill are very Justin in style, as if someone in the past has intended to sell it as original. With maybe some artificial ageing of the logo etc. Just my opinion. Cool looking cab either way. Speaker holes also maybe too perfect?

Personally I've never seen Marshall use the 100% black tolex on pinstripe gear like that cab appears to have, unless it has been painted. From what I've seen they were using the green on black tolex from mid 65 to late 67 on every piece I've seen with my own eyes. Late 67 they started using the "black" tolex, which is actually a very dark green colour, not 100% black (as found on basketweave cabs). There is some pinstripe gear around with that later 'very dark green' tolex, but they are from the tail end of 67 or early 68.
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